24. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. 6. 18. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. Matthew 6:14-15 His son a child murderer. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. They said no mixed bathing. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Hey there. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. They had made an idol out of church attendance. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. People are people and free to choose their own way. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. You might Whats wrong with a tract rack? Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). We ARE the church my friend! Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. I only hope that you will see it before too long. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. Hypocrites! For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. Gods will was for me to forgive. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. 54. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. Wow! Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. 23. 49. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. 37. Praise the lord for forgiveness. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) Same position regarding IFB belief 29. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. All rights reserved. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of 26 You blind Pharisee! No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Its NOT ABOUT US! Amen! Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. 46. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Hypocrites! In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. These are right on the money! (2 Cor. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. 25. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. 38. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. If you party, DO NOT drink. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Again its too legalistic. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? Scofield Bible!!!! They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. 2. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. Does the lord convict me when I miss? I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. If I have misunderstood I apologize. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. 7. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Scripture is Good! Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. No one is "born into the church." People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. 7. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. XII. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. 8. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. Only the KJV will be used in this group; Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. 17. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. We just look for a biblical church to go to. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. G. M. Matheny. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. Yes, we have a tract rack. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. I am also against body piercings as well. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. 33. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of Or preferring the KJV? 33 Snakes! Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. I had my part. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their I love devotions with the Lord. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Thanks for reading! While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Thanks. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. I was taught that. Yes, I remember that. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission.
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